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During the Ubuntu Developer Summit event for the upcoming Ubuntu 12.04 LTS (Precise Pangolin) operating system, the developers talked about removing the non-PAE i386 supported kernel flavor.
PAE (Physical Address Extension) is an addition to x86 (32-bit) processors, which allows the CPUs to address more that 4GB of physical memory.
If the non-PAE i386 kernel will be removed from Ubuntu 12.04 LTS, non-PAE users will have to upgrade to the PAE kernel, and processors missing the PAE and i686 support will be orphaned.
The i386 non-PAE kernel provided support for antique CPUs, including Intel CPUs prior to Pentium II, 400Mhz Pentium M, Geode LX, and VIA C3.
"Before I do something that is difficult to revert, I would like to hear from the development community why we should continue to maintain a kernel flavour that is (in my opinion) getting increasingly low utilization. It is my feeling that an extremely high percentage of users of the non-PAE kernel have a CPU that is PAE capable." - said Tim Gardner in an email
However, if people want this non-PAE i386 flavor to be kept in the kernel, Tim Gardner is willing to sponsor the first non-PAE kernel upload to the Universe repository of Ubuntu 12.04 LTS.
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|Comment #1 by: allen on 14 Nov 2011, 19:09 UTC|| reply to this comment|
Note also that the 12.04 iso will be 50 mb larger that a standard CD. Only users with DVD writers or the ability to boot from USB can even install the OS. This eliminates older systems that may not run Ubuntu 12.04 well anyway. Perhaps this is good. A similar move was made with 7.04, that removed checks for bad ram. I could not run Feisty Fawn. I went back to 6.10 until the next release which ran just fine. This may be a good thing: Ubuntu Gnome and Kubuntu have performed poorly on older, low-powered machines for some time now. This made the Ubuntu look bloated and slow. Like Windows XP, Vista, if you want the latest hotness, upgrade your machine.
|Comment #1.1 by: whodey on 14 Dec 2011, 04:30 GMT|
Bodhi Linux - Enlightenment on Deb/buntu
|Comment #1.2 by: noobninja on 23 Feb 2013, 15:59 GMT|
don't you think people complained when operating systems got bigger than the 1.44" floppy?
|Comment #2 by: Feeman Ng on 14 Nov 2011, 19:35 UTC|| reply to this comment|
None of this really matters. Ubuntu users are abandoning the distribution in droves because everyone hates Unity.
|Comment #2.1 by: oboltyo on 19 Jan 2013, 19:07 GMT|
Ubuntu users abandoning because of Unity.....Then they do not understand linux at all as how hard is it to apt-get install gnome....apt-get install xfce...apt-get install fluxbox... I could go on and on.. Hell you could download E16 and build from source ....its not that hard, and thats what I do and use all the time as it is a quick window manager. I do have to say, Unity or not, Ubuntu is still one of the best distributions and its what probably ended up getting most of you abandoning it here in the first place.
|Comment #3 by: allen on 14 Nov 2011, 21:47 UTC|| reply to this comment|
Add to this the fact that the Ubuntu iso is just 50 larger than a normal CD. To use 12.04 you need to write DVD's or be able to boot from USB storage. Ubuntu looks less bloated and slow if it runs on new machines with lots of ram.
|Comment #3.1 by: arkashkin on 25 Nov 2011, 09:36 GMT|
I use unity, and think it has been improved....
|Comment #4 by: traderrudd on 17 Nov 2011, 02:22 UTC|| reply to this comment|
Ubuntu just keeps on shooting themselves in the foot...
|Comment #5 by: !#$%^ on 18 Nov 2011, 21:20 UTC|| reply to this comment|
Ubuntu is not a distrobution for slow systems anyway, so might as well drop all the old stuff
|Comment #5.1 by: Henry on 20 Nov 2011, 19:57 GMT|
Distrobution is not a word.
Anyway, looks like Ubuntu is going Vista on its users.
|Comment #6 by: Naviathan on 21 Nov 2011, 13:40 UTC|| reply to this comment|
As long as Lubuntu and the low resource variants still have access to a non-pae kernel I don't see a problem with this. Ubuntu itself is a mainstream desktop operating system. It's not touted as a legacy or low resource OS. There are plenty of niche distros out there to cover those that need a non-pae kernel.
|Comment #7 by: Mike on 24 Nov 2011, 00:00 UTC|| reply to this comment|
I´m using Ubuntu Server also on firewalls on older computers. I will switch servers and firewalls back to Debian then. Ubuntu can support older hardware with no special effort. Highest Pentium M on 2,26 GHz isn´t antique and beats Pentium 4 3,2G.
|Comment #8 by: Ramzi Njeim on 09 Dec 2011, 13:29 UTC|| reply to this comment|
Come on people sometimes change is a good thing ..
if ubuntu sticks with old systems it won't evolve
we love the old ubuntu but change is better on the long run
besides unity is not as bad as people say, it's a drastic change no doubt but a change towards a better operating system
The only thing i didn't like in the 11.10 version is the large number of bugs .. ubuntu has changed from an ultra stable system to an ultra buggy one, but there is nothing that can't be fixed with some brains
Let's hope version 12.04 is more stable, less buggy, and functions better when it comes to multitasking
|Comment #8.1 by: Jim on 25 Jan 2012, 16:26 GMT|
Your correct! Linux cannot lead from the back of the pack. We're always plying catch-up and trying to emulate some other OS feature. We need to draw new users to Linux because of our features are more innovative than say MAC or Windows. So what I'm saying is that we cannot hold on to legacy hardware support forever, especially when the price of computers are becoming cheaper every day.
|Comment #9 by: likitaris on 29 Dec 2011, 23:58 UTC|| reply to this comment|
if the move will make ubuntu 12.04 stable and faster lets drop suppoort for all the non PAE CPUs after all most of the softwares now are designed for modern CPUs.
|Comment #10 by: anonimouse on 24 Jan 2012, 10:37 UTC|| reply to this comment|
Who cares? non-pae processors should die!
|Comment #10.1 by: glentrob on 31 Mar 2012, 12:21 GMT|
Actually, there are probably a lot of home users that have an LTS server using old hardware as a firewall, dhcp server, and NAS for their personal family use. I have been doing that for 6 years now with an old pentium M with 2 GB NICs, etc. It has been nice to have a stable and safe server that does everything I need for my family with only a small amount of work every 2 years to upgrade to the latest LTS.
|Comment #10.2 by: Robur on 22 May 2012, 15:07 GMT|
But Pentium M (mobile equivalent P-III) has PAE feature (AFAIK)
|Comment #11 by: me the 37th on 25 Mar 2012, 20:13 UTC|| reply to this comment|
I hate to see any hardware excluded but then I don't know just how much extra work it is for them to maintain it. If 12.04 isn't a LOT better than 11.10 I'm not sure it matters anyway. Ubuntu is going downhill fast. It used to be a good OS but now it is more suitable for phones than desktops. 11.04 was a step away from useful function and 11.10 was a bigger step. It looks like Canonical has decided it is more important to court phone and tablet users and the intellectually challenged crowd that is impressed by eye candy than to be a useful tool for desktop users. I used to recommend it to everyone. No more.
|Comment #12 by: Gonemustang on 30 Apr 2012, 23:52 UTC|| reply to this comment|
Was upsetting when my Neoware ca10 went to upgrade and locked up on a kernel that would not support the C3 . This was why I chose Ununtu...
|Comment #13 by: madjohnva on 24 May 2012, 00:44 UTC|| reply to this comment|
I'm not really going to complain too much, either way it goes. I have 6 older computers that were made before 2000, and they work just fine with Red Hat 9 and Fedora Core 6 and Windows 98. Newer does not mean better, especially for certain programs that were not made for faster CPU's and/or newer GPU's. But still, I said the same thing about windows - an operating system should for the most part be able to "adapt" to any harware up to the time it was created. For my case, I couldn't get FC6 to work on a computer I built in 2005 all because I changed the video card last year with an ATI Radeon HD5970. I wish I could have the same flavor on all of my computers, but just can't do it. Completely doing away with the support for older CPU's is a mistake, and besides, for a home server you don't need quad 16 core CPU's with 256Gb of memory. My P4 400MHz does excellent with 386Mb RAM.
|Comment #14 by: mijvelo on 09 Jun 2012, 14:08 UTC|| reply to this comment|
Ubuntu is a good tool for my organization www.projectportatil.org , where we take older computers as donations and set them up to work in schools in developing nations. I think other similar orgs like world computer exchange use ubuntu also. I think if there's a previous version that's supported for a few years into the future it will probably bridge the gap sufficiently to when the donated machines are all PAE
|Comment #15 by: Eddepet on 09 Dec 2012, 12:47 UTC|| reply to this comment|
Well, i'm really in need for a non-PAE kernel, because it boots on my geode cpu. It's my aim to install asterisk pbx on this very low powered hardware. With just 5 Watts it's really a perfect fit for a my asterisk pbx.
Please support older hardware! It's good for reusing old hardware and therefor has a low environmental footprint. Please...!
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