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December 29th, 2005, 13:20 GMT · By Vlad Tarko

What Is Ergodicity?

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Why are election polls often inaccurate? Why is racism wrong? Why are your assumptions often mistaken? The answers to all these questions and to many others have a lot to do with the non-ergodicity of human ensembles. Many scientists agree that ergodicity is one of the most important concepts in statistics. So, what is it?

Ergodicity is usually described in terms of objective properties of an ensemble of objects, and the discussion often gets lost in mathematical subtleties and thus it is often difficult to understand. Nonetheless, I will describe it in bayesian, subjectivist terms; hopefully this will make the concept very accessible.

Suppose you are concerned with determining what the most visited parks in a city are. One idea is to take a momentary snapshot: to see how many people are this moment in park A, how many are in park B and so on. Another idea is to look at one individual (or few of them) and to follow him for a certain period of time, e.g. a year. Then, you observe how often the individual is going to park A, how often he is going to park B and so on.

Thus, you obtain two different results: one statistical analysis over the entire ensemble of people at a certain moment in time, and one statistical analysis
for one person over a certain period of time. The first one may not be representative for a longer period of time, while the second one may not be representative for all the people.
The idea is that an ensemble is ergodic if the two types of statistics give the same result. Many ensembles, like the human populations, are not ergodic.

The importance of ergodicity becomes manifest when you think about how we all infer various things, how we draw some conclusion about something while having information about something else. For example, one goes once to a restaurant and likes the fish and next time he goes to the same restaurant and orders chicken, confident that the chicken will be good. Why is he confident? Or one observes that a newspaper has printed some inaccurate information at one point in time and infers that the newspaper is going to publish inaccurate information in the future. Why are these inferences ok, while others such as "more crimes are committed by black persons than by white persons, therefore each individual black person is not to be trusted" are not ok?

The answer is that the ensemble of articles published in a newspaper is more or less ergodic, while the ensemble of black people is not at all ergodic. If one searches how many mistakes appear in an entire newspaper in one issue, and then searches how many mistakes one news editor does over time, one finds the two results almost identical (not exactly, but nonetheless approximately equal). However, if one takes the number of crimes committed by black people in a certain day divided by the total number of black people, and then follows one random-picked black individual over his life, one would not find that, e.g. each month, this individual commits crimes at the same rate as the crime rate determined over the entire ensemble. Thus, one cannot use ensemble statistics to properly infer what is and what is not probable that a certain individual will do.

Or take an even clearer example: In an election each party gets some percentage of votes, party A gets a%, party B gets b% and so on. However, this does not mean that over the course of their lives each individual votes with party A in a% of elections, with B in b% of elections and so on.

These were examples of why, in some cases - the non-ergodic cases, one cannot use ensemble statistics to infer something about a particular individual. There is also a complementary problem, faced by the scientists doing opinion polls. They gather data from a very small number of individuals and try to infer the characteristics of the entire ensemble. In order to do this as accurately as possible they don't simply pick the individuals at random; they partition the human ensemble on the basis of some criteria (such as age or income) and afterwards they randomly pick individuals inside each partition being careful that each partition is being represented. It is worth noting that the so-called margin of error of the opinion polls is not really a margin of error. This margin of error is computed assuming that the human ensemble (or more precisely, the partitions they establish) is (are) ergodic. But in reality they are not.

A similar problem is faced by scientists in general when they are trying to infer some general statement from various particular experiments. When is a generalization correct and when it isn't? The answer concerns ergodicity. If the generalization is done towards an ergodic ensemble, than it has a good chance of being correct.


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Comment #1 by: Nimrod on 18 Oct 2008, 17:15 UTC reply to this comment

The essence of ergodicity is shown very accessibly. Good article. The content is close to the the optimum


Comment #2 by: Artur on 09 Nov 2008, 19:26 UTC reply to this comment

This is good article, however, the basic thesisi is wrong. The author does not recognise the basic idea of the statistacila method, which claims that we must define an ansambe (ANSAMBLE) which is exactley the same as our system (i.e. it is a group of points in the gammas space). Can a single man be ansamble??? On the other hand, this is good article since it shows the importance of choosing of the good ansamble to make the system ergodic.

Comment #2.1 by: banbury on 09 Dec 2010, 21:28 GMT

You mean 'ensemble', don't you?

Comment #2.2 by: bryan potts on 19 Oct 2011, 18:19 GMT

yea, thanks for clearing things up, artur.


Comment #3 by: MalcolmX on 14 Apr 2009, 17:49 UTC reply to this comment

Is it really necessary to refer to black people committing crimes? Why not just look at the general population committing crimes, or any other example of a non-ergodic system. This kind of writing just sickens me to the soul.

Comment #3.1 by: In Agreement on 29 Dec 2009, 19:06 GMT

Agreed. It is just as valid to refer to white males being serial killers, but for some reason we rarely see examples in this regard. Why do people so quickly gravitate to examples of bad/illegal behavior of minority populations?

Comment #3.2 by: charles on 14 Jan 2010, 12:26 GMT

MalcolmX,

You can reject racism either because it is politically incorrect or because it is factually wrong. This article explains, among other things, why, scientifically speaking, racism is wrong. Why would you be "sickened to the soul" by this?! Shouldn't you be glad that your politically correct opinions are also factually correct?


Comment #4 by: Sergey on 15 Apr 2009, 06:42 UTC reply to this comment

to Artur: I recommend You be less categorical - the thesis there is not wrong simply because ergodithity is not a statistical term thus not implying ansamble existence.


Comment #5 by: shivakrishna on 17 Jun 2009, 19:04 UTC reply to this comment

hello..
You have made clear concept regarding ergodicity... please continue to explain with real time examples


Comment #6 by: Erin Deppeler on 06 Aug 2009, 01:20 UTC reply to this comment

Thanks for the explanation - good example. I get the picture now and it certainly confirms my suspicions about socio-political statistics!

Erin from B'dale


Comment #7 by: andy on 28 Jan 2010, 17:53 UTC reply to this comment

just a correction - it's ensemble, not ansamble. and it's not so easy to pick a 'representative' ensemble. remember, ergodic theory arose out of questions in statistical mechanics way back when (19th century i believe) and for all but very simple systems, it is often just 'assumed' based on the agreement between the results of measuring a parameter via each of the two methods described. However it IS true that the choice of the subset of the system is important - some socio-political studies yield much better 'ergodic' results because their method of choosing the subset of the system to follow over time is more representative. For example, using the 'crime's committed' system (but lets substitute teenagers instead of African Americans), choosing to follow, say 100 randomly selected teenagers and making sure all ethnicities and social/economic groups were proportionally represented would yield better results. But this begs the question a bit, as a true ergodic system shouldn't require such carefully chosen 'initial conditions'.


Comment #8 by: Abdallah on 10 Apr 2010, 04:47 UTC reply to this comment

Thanks very much


Comment #9 by: Jalog on 19 Apr 2010, 17:11 UTC reply to this comment

This seems to be closely related to the idea of unit of analysis error, in which a research might, for example, discover some property by studying groups, say, that generally speaking, higher levels of education are causally correlated to higher incomes, and then apply that finding to an individual. The relationship is valid for the group, but there is no way to predict whether that relationship will assert itself for any individual from that group.


Comment #10 by: David Ahlgren on 07 May 2010, 19:58 UTC reply to this comment

I, as a layperson, cannot determine a clear ah-ha clarity with the definition / description of what ergodic means...Math savvy I am and a late bloomer as well. To brag the Presidents Highest Honors while studying at Sacramento City College Mechanical and Electrical Technology Program. Physical Sciences and real world Phisics Proofs in cool that is why Thermodynamics is...I digress...Why is it wrong to seperate a perfectly good Ensamble of teens just to satisfy some overly paranoid statistical analysis? Why not just see what happens with that piece of the pie because after all if these people are in close proximity with one another then differences in make up will well be "naturally occuring". Seems to me that the artificial plugging in of "we have to make it fair and square in order for the results to be ""representitive" of the populace in my narrow opinion make the results flatly inaccurate."? As one who really doesn't buy into the whole decision by statistical analysis of the data idea...I vote for "you just can't bet on human nature" cause you may end up with the surprise of your life . Hope my essay gave you all something to laugh at. By fer now.


Comment #11 by: AJ on 08 Jan 2011, 14:54 UTC reply to this comment

Thanks, I found it usefull to understand ergodicity


Comment #12 by: Kara on 13 May 2011, 14:21 UTC reply to this comment

I think this is very well done. Thank you. I am new to this concept, and can't help wondering if generalizations to ergodic ensembles being substantiated hinges on the assumption that the context underlying the two "experiments" (snapshot over people, v. over time within subjet) is identical. For example; if you look at the snapshot of the parks in summer (when people may roam farther) and look at an individual in winter.. the results would be non-ergodic. So since the context being constant is important, yet you can't run the two in the exact same context (until we get those parallel universes nailed down).. it seems unlikely to find ergodicity in real world settings. .. Does that make sense? I'd love for anyone to be able to school me up on this.. K.A.Latorella@nasa.gov.

Comment #12.1 by: DT on 18 May 2011, 13:33 GMT

Kara,

From what I understand - the individuals in the ensemble must effectively behave identically for it to be ergotic, as any random individual chosen must display the same distribution (in space) as the collective ensemble. So the group and individual behaviour must be symmetrical?

I'm doing a PhD and came across this concept in random number generation for simulation, and to be frank am fairly struggling to get my head around why exactly it is so important. I would've thought most random number generators are ergotic (for any symmetrical distribution...)

I think you're right though - it's always assumed that the context must be the same, which is practically impossible in the real world (maybe in a lab... but that rules out anything to do with people and social activity). However, ensembles of people are arguably never ergotic anyway (as the article implies) so even if you ran your thought experiment with identical contexts, it shouldn't produce ergotic results?

Any clarity anyone can give to this would be fully appreciated.

Comment #12.2 by: SB_UK on 23 Aug 2011, 10:19 GMT

"must behave identically"

No - must be homogenously distributed.

1 large family of very tall people in the UK.
1 large family of very small people in France.

Divide equally between UK and France.

No matter which geographical slice one takes between UK and France, just the UK, just France, just the North of UK and the South of France
- we'll obtain the same ratio of tall:small people.

See wikiP/regression to the mean or the red hot chilli peppers 'mix it up until there are no pedigrees' ... ... ...


Comment #13 by: SVM on 07 Sep 2011, 13:33 UTC reply to this comment

very good article. Explained very nicely the otyherwise confusing concept of ergodocity.
Thanks!


Comment #14 by: gunjan on 13 Sep 2011, 09:52 UTC reply to this comment

Very Nice


Comment #15 by: dallasm on 25 Sep 2011, 15:41 UTC reply to this comment

I found it very easy to understand . Thanks for writing it.


Comment #16 by: lebur2 on 27 Dec 2011, 03:39 UTC reply to this comment

very nicely done--lucid and relevant


Comment #17 by: mario5554 on 30 May 2012, 00:51 UTC reply to this comment

Excellent and increadibly intuitive interpretation, congrats!


Comment #18 by: nerina on 11 Dec 2012, 15:53 UTC reply to this comment

In an ensemble of pigments which are illuminated by a brief light flash, a few of the pigments will transit from the ground state to the excited state. The excited state has a short lifetime which in in the subnansecond to nanosecond time range. Thus the excited state pigments are unable to access even a very tiny fraction of the ensemble microstates. I would therefore consider this to be a non ergodic system. I would be interested to here the comments of others on this.

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