From what I've heard the Shotgun is still the most used weapon in the game so please explain that one.

Because people don't like using the lancer. The shotgun isnt weaker its just way slower.

That is weird..I thought the shotgun was overpowered and the Lancer was to weak.

"the shotgun was much weaker, which was motivated by the lead designer of the game, Cliff Bleszinski, as an attempt to decrease the multiplayer matches where players would run up to their rivals and simply shoot their helpless victims. While a few users did understand this move, " - Finally the shotgun being to powerful in the first games multi was the reason I stopped playing mutli.

"Speaking of the Lancer, a lot of players have complained that the rifle of choice for the characters in the game is now too powerful, as its bullets have a very big and unusual stopping power, rendering its wielder almost invincible. The famous accessory of the Lancer, the chainsaw bayonet, is also a bit too powerful, as there is nothing the players can do once it begins to rev and they can just see their character being sliced up in tiny pieces." - If the opponent is quick enough then they can do a chainsaw duel where they as well as they're opponent would have to push "b" button until one succeeds. Also if you put yourself in a position to get chainsawed how is that the dev's fault?

Nothing needs to be fixed IMO!

The game is great as it is.

Everything's fine .. so please stop whining

Oh shut the hell up about the Shotgun being weak, in every freaking game, the shotgun is always overpowered when you shoot close range! Why the hell should a double barrel or shotgun be overpowered when shot at long range. Shut the hell up about the shotgun power in GOW2, it's finally fixed!

How the hell are all the weapons overpowered!? Mortar does what it should do! It's a raining air strike, why in the world do you want that to be less powered so you can survive it, you want to survive 7 rockets raining down on you!? You better get the hell out of gaming then.


Seriously, the only complaint I have for this game is the rubbish match making and terrible online connection! Takes so long to get into a game with NAT:Strict settings whereas I could easily connect to other online games with NAT:Strict. Even though you have NATA, when you finally connect after waiting for near 10mins, the freaking game lags like hell!
The problem with Gears of War 1 was the bad online, I never got any online achievements except for Co-oP, because the online was just not playable!

Recently we had a fix/patch...what did they patch? NOTHING! Connections is still bad! I always get disconnected when ever I survive as a Leader, for fark sake!

Yes the shotgun is overpowered too in this game, you can get a 1 shot kill at close range if you aim at their chest or face.

Lancer is weak if you battle with someone who is using a shotgun against you.


Seriously...all weapons are balanced! The lancer for the Locust may be powerful but shots at a slow speed! Shotgun isn't an automatic but if you fight at the right spot, it will stagger them (especially people trying to chainsaw you).

The locust rapid fire pistol may be powerful, but remember it only fires 5 rounds a per se.

People love playing broken games such as Gears of War 1

I agree that there is no problem with the changes that they made with the shot gun. The people that are complaining are just probably the same people that overused the shotgun in the first game. Then the fact that the lancers chainsaw is so powerful, well it is a chainsaw, and you have to be like 2 inches from them to use it, and that's why when you use the lancer it slows people down.

the game is good multiplayer would be good if little dweebs did,nt sit there with there pc,s downloading porn.

or decied to leave because there losing mostly lag comes from host who has bad connection because the noobs dont know how to setup a network.

and there should be live uk and live us the we can choose where we play i get fedup with silly no life americains screaming usless abuse just because they have one of the worst bb connections in the world and also gain advantage because they mostly host games.

live needs to address this issue also the shotgun seems weaker because of the lag issues sometimes you can take a mouthy abusive americain head off first shot but mostly its harry potter that gets blown away.

last off whats up with our allies thease days all thease war games seem to go to your heads gamming is ment to be fun but epic does need to solve some issues and they will to.

Lol, all of you morons who are saying the shotgun is overpowered in gears 2 seriously need to learn how to play gears. Did any of you actually play the first one to understand exactly the difference between shotguns? The excuse that people just run up and kick your ass with the shotgun is not an acceptable one to take away the gears 1 shotty away. me and my friends range the top ranks in this game and im telling you if someone is amazing with one of the other weapons your shotgun will not save you. The skill to dive around, blind fire fight (and the bullets go where you aim) is one hundred times more skillful then standing staring at eachother shooting 1 shotgun bullet every 4 seconds. If they don't sort out gears 2 ill happily go back to gears 1. They have made a huge mistake and the guy who made the shotty like it is in gears 2 needs to get a job on a new game for xbox like Care Bears where all you noobs who couldn't play gears 1 can go play together. Leave the real gaming to us.

Although the weapons have problems, I personally can't believe I sometimes wait up to 20 minutes to get one match going, only to have it disconnect for whatever reason. Its like another company made the multiplayer. 95% of people I talk to can't believe how bad the game came out. Epic should have just left a winner alone and gave us new maps new creatures with better graphics but the old system. If you go play the first Gears it runs faster and smoother, overall Gears of War 2 is an Epic Fail and if and when GEars 3 comes out, I won't be running to get it. Epic seems to me that they only care about sales, and they knew this game would sell, but they forget to put the love into it they did with the first.
Peace

The lag really effects this game. ive noticed that players in california have really powerful shotguns where most players on the east coast have a much weaker shotgun. Ive found this causes alot of east coast users to go to the saw.

I noticed the shotgun issue the other day. Personally, I liked the shotgun how it was in the 1st Gears. If you shoot a guy running at you with the Lancer to chainsaw you, he SHOULD bounce back and not be able to chainsaw you. In Gears 2, every time some noob runs at me with the chainsaw, he always ends up getting me. It even forced me to start using the friggin chainsaw. I do not like that aspect of the game.

I updated yesterday with the patch and the matchmaking didn't seem to go much faster at all. Still takes at least 5 minutes to get into every game and when it does, there is lag.

Not to mention, the other day I was playing Horde and my team was killing it, at like level 18 or something, and all of a sudden the game stops and a window pops up saying the disc is unreadable. Fuggin Xbox. Anyone else have the 'disc is unreadable' problem?

I can live with the new weapons but i personally think the shotgun in gears1 was much more enjoyable. i don't think that the lancer is too powerful but i do think that the chainsaw is not fair and it's the only way some worse players can get kills. and i do not understand why the hell they would make the smoke grenades knock you down. it is not enjoyable compared to gears1

I just don't understand why they would change the game so much even after the incredible success of the first gears. if it ain't broken, then don't fix it.

A quit option would be nice, in order for me to leave a game with a horrible connection, I have to either go back to the dashboard and restart or just sit through a match where my team and I are running against walls the whole time. I paid for the game, as did all of you and personally think it sucks not to have the quit option. ???????? Do something about it!

to be honest gears 2 will not last as long as the original due to the fact that it has changed its gameplay drastically...people say the shot gun was over used!what about the chainsaw? the saw is impossible to stop when its vacum like suction begins to rev up!now there are even more weapons that are impossible to stop with out a "shot~gun"... point blank gears 2 has no more shot gun!!!its just sits on your back for looks! the chainsaw that the new gears 2...now we have to get sawed every corner we turn,we are helpless victims to the saw!!!never mind the enemy heat seeking torque!& the mortar!!!the rules epic set for this game consist of u play the modes we want every one to play unless u vote!u play in random rooms with random players in a ranked room on what ever mode gets the most votes, get sawed, sawed, & sawed!,& sit in the lobby 20 minutes to end up matching a laggy netherlands host with some one all the way from brooklyn & get sawed,sawed ,sawed!!!lol..this game became a joke!i regret buying two lim edition copies!thankx to cliffy b...the game is ruined!he should get fired for causeing epic the loss of a great game!not only do we hate the shotgun & the matchmaking! now every one has to appear offline....thanx to the non private "so called" private rooms!public rooms are now ranked..u gotta be kidding me...this website should get together with xbox live & protest against gears of war 2!!! xbl is also having an abnormal amount of offline players! thanx to cliffy b... what happen to the customer is always right!??

Well said John. Totally agree with you when it comes to the multi player. The lag is absolutely insane. What about the ranking system? Trueskill?? are you serious?? In gears one if i wanted to play on my own and go out and meet new gamers. I would grab a beer. Log on. Find a game with a good connection an have a good chat with other people. I was not worried about winning or losing my game as i always ended with the most points/kills which ultimately helped me in my leaderboard status. Now however i have to rely not only on people i don't know for my rank to go up and down. I have to rely on other peoples connection!! when you finally find a game after half an hour it's so laggy your counting to 7 before a bullet comes out. Now it doesn't matter how good you are. With that kind of Lag you may aswel shoot yourself. I used to play gears with my friends all night and constantly say. "Just one more Just one more" now however by 9pm or 10pm were all like... well i would be pissed at that but im so used to this crap now whats the point. Hell im going to bed this is to frustrating. Well done Epic on a real big screw up!

I agree with you there Jake...the game is entirely too laggy and it diminishes the gameplay a lot....the game's online play is a joke because instead of having fun people care about rank and trying to get the most kills. I could care less about the rank and if i wanted to get at the seriously achievement, I'd try to finish the campaign on Insane (which is what im still trying to do) and play against bots / run horde mode all day with my pops (who, i might add is 50+ and is almost as much as a gamer as I am. 19 in college and still have time to have fun)

Now for the weapons....If you pay attention, the shotgun isn't even a shotgun anymore...its more like a cannon that shoots a spread of bullets because you can hit someone almost 100m away with it. I agree that the lancer has a bit too much stopping power and the chainsaw for some reason is a little irritating. The Hammerburst rifle should have more stopping power than the lancer seeing how its a bigger bullet (at least i think so lol). The flamethrower actually HAS STOPPING POWER for some reason...you can't roll out of the flames for some reason and you can't burn people out of cover. Planting grenades online is a little annoying because it diminishes from having a firefight. Those are the only weapons I really have a gripe with...the active reload bonuses are good though.

Now to gears 1, I seldom played the first gears because everyone used the shotgun all the time and i didn't get a chance to learn the maps too much. I got tired of getting killed by shotgun so much that I quit playing gears 1 online and stuck to campaign. Now don't get me wrong, apart from the shotgun kills online, they should have kept the core concept of gears 1 and just modded the shotgun power. Now, in gears 2, you've got a lot of glitches and a lot of pissed off players. I don't care too much about the problems or the rank system, but i do hope they fix this soon...PLEASE EPIC, DON"T turn into another EA Lames....

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the shotgun is ok and the lancer too but the chaninsaw has a too wide range and you should be able to stop the chainsaw like i gears 1.
The matchmaking is a little be better after the update , but needs to be better.
The game is amazing !
Ah i will love to be available to play private matches like before in gears 1 when you could search for the match no play only with friend like know

y'all all dumb (being sarcastic) yeah cause in real life u should be able to run threw a shotgun blast and chainsaw somebody with know regard of stopping power. yeah and they should of kept the match making the same as the first

I don't care about unbalanced weapons...skillful gameplay can beat that...but the freakin' lag and never being able to join a damn game is the most irritating thing in the world...I'm half tempted to sell it for Call of Duty:World at War...no waiting for matches and no lag...WTF!!!

You are right they need to make everything like gears 1 i was addicted to that game forever. They did not need to change anything on the game at all it was fine the way it was. Oh p.s for you lancert *** it takes no skill just hold down the button and stand there. at least for a shotgun you got to dodge move and try to get close enough for the final blow.

Honestly i think gears 2 is a beautiful game, there is a lot more positives than negatives, but the few negatives are drastic. For an entire weekend, i played nothing but foreign players. and when i do get a decent connection, i get chainsawed repeatedly. guys i normally play with resorted to chainsawing, because that's the only thing that wins, after i was chainsawed for the 100,000th time, i finally gave up. i'll wait for a patch, but if nothing happens soon, i still got the original.

Me personally i like the game but the thing that is killing it off is the lag and glitching people out there that destroying the game.What im tryin to get my head around is why do they develop games with problems like that,within the first day of playing the game peeps was glitchin outside the map,floating in the air and the one that kills it is the shield and shotgun or flame-thrower or lancer,this game needs to be patched asap as most night when i speak with people they are thinkin of gettin rid of the game and will not trust a third installment of the game as it is worst than the first gears for glitchin.As for the shotgun i think its alot weaker but has a longer range but people still use it alot,the Lancer i cant see any difference,the chainsaw(my favourite) does not have the reach as the first one,the Magnum luv it,Hammer burst very rarely use,Boomshot,Mulcher,Torque Bow and the Dawn use when i can.EPIC SORT IT BEFORE ITS TOO LATE.

I'm actually glad the shotgun isn't as powerful. The lancer is fine too... It will kill you if you run right at hit hoping to shotgun roll somebody. However, the chainsaw HAS GOT TO GO. I'm very good at this game, but, especially in bad connections, it will suck you in from too far away. I've rolled backwards only to be sucked back in, in mid-air by the chainsaw. Either tone it down or make it a pick-up weapon on the map. The stun grenades are fine, just make sure you dive away and it usually wont get you. The icing on the cake is the lag. Why why why why why do European's always get host, and why why why why are they playing at all hours of the day. I have no problems with Europeans, but I don't want to play xbl with them if they always get host and everyone else lags. PLEASE PLEASE patch that epic. PLEASE make it so you can play with only Europeans or North Americans or W/E. Finally, why is it so hard to find a game? It isn't for the lack of players. Just fix these issues please epic

chainsaw - too much range . shotgun - too slow. gameplay - more lag than gears 1. - too many power weapons - the smoke grenade idea was rediculous, who wants to play in smoke the whole game? tagging walls with frags has too much range and slows the game down and lets players camp in hallways which is boring for everybody else. taking pictures when you die lol, thats just stupid. terrible map design - nobody uses the lancer effectively so i dont even know why thats a concern - there is nothing tactical about this game its simply chaos all the time, always getting shot or smoke fragged from behind. no true skill required to get kills.the other night i played and the matchmaking system chose the same 2 maps to choose from 6 games in a row. Epic has continually said they never expected gears 1 to be as popular online and was actually an afterthought. The sequel is mess top to bottom riddled with gameplay flaws horrible netcode boring game modes. half the people i know that bought game dont even play it anymore. NOOBS OF WAR 2 was obviously designed for people that sucked at the first game. the design resembles something more marketable as opposed to a competitve first class online expierence. Im not a gears hater, i had over 65,000 kills on gears one and had nothing but the highest hopes for the sequel. Disappointing in every way. NOOBS/EPIC UNITE. ok im done lol

ok i like GOW2 but there's 1 big problem for me when i play multiplayer. Most of the time it's fine for me but on occasions the round starts and i start shooting my weapon and the number of bulliets in my gun aren't going down and then my friend tells me i have no weapon and it looks like im crab walking. This results in me not being able to kill anyone becuase on everyone elses screen i don't have a weapon. Iv'e never glitched on the GOW2 so i don't know why it does this to me and iv'e seen a few other random players online have the same problem, I wish it could be fixed!

this game has millions of bugs

somtimes when i matchmake on split screen the 2nd players crosshairs just dissapear out of nowhere

the matchmaking most of the times takes forever to get in a game

somtimes the games are not even full with only 2 or 3 players on a team

lots of glitches in game , i thought the shotgun was weaker but wasnt that bad i guess but still sucks compared to gears 1 shotgun

wtf happend epic i thought this was gonna be the best game for 360

LIKES: The Campaign and The Horde Mode

Dislikes: The matchmaking, its takes so F*****G long and only to enter a laggy Game

The Glitching, what happen epic you said you were going to fix that

Private matches not fun anymore, should have left it like in gears 1 were u could search and join other players

Ranking System sucks, should have left it like in gears 1 where one would rank up on there own

Sort out the problem with players who quit/leave. Nothing makes a supposed 'rank' game worse then uneven teams. All they have to do is allow public matches to be unranked like the last game. The amount of times I actually start a game at a disadvatage is a joke.

FWIW, I'll complain about Horde. Specifically, the Horde AI which is ridiculous. They see through walls and come around a corner, know exactly where you are, aim and hit you instantly with a magic bullet time after time. Sometimes when they're not even looking your way. When they use the sniper rifle, it shoots about 1 round a second so you can't stay on target but when you use the sniper, it shoots about 1 round every 5 seconds. And many more.
I know it's tough to design AI but they don't have to make the AI have magical powers. They could increase Horde firepower, decrease human firepower, have more enemies per wave, etc. etc. Many things to balance the game while keeping the AI from doing things that are physically impossible like seeing through walls.

geras of war dissapointed they slowed the frequency of the shotgun its polarity is now much slower than gears 1 i just dont know what epic did

Gears of War 2 where to start. Well my expectation were throuth the roof when i heard of a sequel to the blockbuster hit Gears of War. The game shud b called Gears of LAg 2. Every single game LAGGY. The game is so slow the frequecy of the shotgun is terrible even though iz da most used gun it has numerous problems. Itz so slow the 1 one 1 shotgun showed how skilled u were. Now itz gone forever . U cant fire from the hip no more(hip fire means aiming with out using ur iron sight or scope like a no scope.) Weponds like boomshot control who wins the round. And now u get 3 boomshotz are dey trying to make more noobz. The Epic game people wanted to make a game they tot of. The shotgun of The better gears of war was not intened. Anyone ever lay COd 4. Well i tink of it like Gears a smashing blockuster hit dat kept me occupied for a very long time. Well COed world at war is da same ting. And it has more people playing it den Gears. Now if Gears 2 was like dat i believe it wud have beaten the ssales of Halo

Geez... I just though I totally sucked at this game. I shot a dude with the shotgun 8 times point blank and he didn't even flinch but it seems I get killed one shot almost everytime. I'm new to the online thing but it's frustrating. I totally agree about the chainsaw... needs to be toned down and be breakable. Also, chainsaw "duels" are a joke... I've played and won most of the campaign on insane so I'm not THAT bad of a shot... Maybe it's a connection thing...

I was about to upgrade to xbox gold and buy a wireless adapter before I read your comments, I liked the game that much on single player. It's brilliant and beautiful, but Epic have let us all down with the multiplayer it seems. Here's hoping the patch they release this month will sort something out...

Such a damn shame they let a great game like Gears get ruined by not being able to sort out multiplayer properly - the most important part of the game

I hate smoke grenades.
And we like using shotguns, why make it so we can't use them how we like to?

Will they ever do something about these problems and the amount of people using lag switches I will never play gears again

gears of war is an aswome game but i f. hate those lags.
theres over a million people that bought this game so why dont you guys cut the crap and star fixing this problem

WOW WOW WOW where to begin with this monstrosity? This is easily the biggest let-down of game I have ever encountered. I love (and am very good at) Gears 1. The weapons, campaign, matchmaking were perfect (maybe not the whole host thing, lol). But my god, look what has happened in Gears 2! Matchmaking is a joke. I can't just get online and play a player match for fun??? I have to play as hard as I can every match? How fun is that? Oh and Epic, you fixed the lag? Good one. The online multiplayer on this thing is the laggiest I have ever seen on a game. Every other game I get into is unplayable due to lag. And it takes like 10 minutes just to find a friggin match. Really Epic? Oh and don't even get me started on the shotgun. What was wrong with the shotgun in the first Gears??? DONT FIX IT IF IT AINT BROKEN. EPIC FAIL. I WILL TAKE MY $60 BACK NOW. Look at how terrible this game is! Cliffy B just made all these tweaks to Gears 2 because has was getting stomped at Gears 1. Hey Epic, what's more important: sales, or the gameplay your fans are looking for? From the looks of it, your obviously going with the first one. The only good thing about this game is the map designs. Hey Epic here's an idea: why don't you take the Gears 2 maps, slap them on Gears 1, and call it Gears 3? Then maybe people will actually play your game.

Things that bothers me the most in the two latest patches of the game is when after you stop roadie running you cant shot/hit somone simultaneous instead theres a 2 second delay before you can do anything, i think thats really stupid.
Try and imagine that in real life, not realistic at all or fair.
And the playlist is just horrible i hope EPIC really fix it.

Things that bothers me the most in the two latest patches of the game is when after you stop roadie running you cant shot/hit somone simultaneous instead theres a 2 second delay before you can do anything, i think thats really stupid.
Try and imagine that in real life, not realistic at all or fair in that matter.
And the playlist is just horrible i hope EPIC really fix that soon.

they should take the Torke bow out the game because it is to easy to get people and it kill u with one shot. noobs even get a kill wit the gun

did u play gow 1? or were u a big fan of halo 3?? this game is so terrible it went from having skills to just who can hit the b button the fastest. the double tripple melee is a huge downfall on this game. u rarely see any good snipers (which im glad the active down is out) but i hate not being able to run and shoot basically your dead you cant get away. the hammer burst is outrageous strgoner then a shotgun and the new update took away from the lancer entirely. im a huge fan of gow was there since day 1 and was so excited for gow 2 i waited inline for an hour to get the midnight copy and after playing it it just pisses me off. so once again i find myself going back to gow 1. there were minor flaws with gow 1 the active down sniper and one shot with the shotgun, but at least if you werent host you still had a chance.

gearss is awsome the game is soooo adictive yea there are some laggy connections but deal with it the game is not a let down welll done epic best game ever!!!!

yes the shotty is slow but power is not decreased... but the sniper has way too much recoil and 25% of the time when you hit their neck of top of head it does not register and also there is more lag then there ever was i gears 1 AND i think a lot of people would like to pick there teammates when not in a party

the only problem i have with gears is the crappy connection. i have high speed internet and on any other game i play the online is perfect. i have slowly stopped playing gears because of this. plz fix the lag, its the only issue i can think of. other than that i think gears is awesome.

I hope the person im righting this too can fix the problem that many people on xbox that play gears have. Gears of War 2 has the worst server in the history of America i was ranked 100 in the world in wingman until i had to stop playing do to the horrible lagg that gears of war has. hopefully someone can fix this because it really pisses me off that i cant play a damn game that i love due to you guys stupid server thank you!!!!

the reason why people are disagreeing with this is because gears of war 2 was comercialised to make it much easier for noobs to compete, its far easier than gears of war one ( much slower gameplay, boring.) but epic failed to realise that causal gamers were a small percentage of the millions that played gears of war one, which is why gears of war 2 is hated so much. as a consequence, many og the gears of war fans have deserted the game, preferign games such as CoD and Halo. as a result gears of war 2 has slipped to 12th place in the xbox live most played list. if you say nothing is wrong with the game, you really arent that good at the game, and i mean you must be realy bad or have just started playing. keep on chainsawing and using your B button, it realy doesnt take any skill at all. dont bitch about me being bad, i have a 2.0 KD, everyone writing on here probably has a 0.9 AT best,