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The chronicles of a futile battle: Blu-Ray vs. HD-DVD

Is DVD fading away?

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13th of March 2005, 10:08 GMT

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While the CD, as data storage and delivery media, lasted successfully for decades and seems to be alive and kicking as we speak, we can't say the same about the DVD. On the market for a mere few years, the format is not very much taken into account when it comes to store and deliver video and audio content.

Although at the beginning of the decade, the DVD seemed like a major discovery, it shortly proved itself unable to solve some of the most important problems that lead to its very creation.

As far as entertainment is concerned, the maximum video resolution DVD could provide, 720x480, was shortly overcome by the technological progress pace and technical features of new TVs, multimedia projectors or other image display devices. But the main problem remains the poor security. DeCSS and DivX came as major surprises, and lessened the DVD enthusiasm.

The IT industry wasn't very excited either by the new disc, all things considered. The DVD+R/RW vs. DVD-R/RW battle, born, all in all, still in the entertainment area, generated a lot of confusion and lead to a much lower than expected PC technology implementation ratio. Combining both technologies in combo devices was a last resort solution, unable to generate much enthusiasm either.

The future of DVD is still unclear, but what is certain is that a replacement is already needed and looked upon. And the favorite candidates seem to be Blu-Ray and HD-DVD. But things are far from being settled yet, as far as these two formats are concerned.

A real battle or beforehand publicity?

Although it will take a while till they become largely accessible - probably towards the end of 2005, but most likely in 2006 - the formats believed to replace the DVD generated several debates and the last CES (Consumer & Electronics Show) only proved that the two discs are really at war.

Besides, if you're looking for information on Blu-Ray and HD-DVD, the first data you are most likely to obtain would be who's backing one format or the other, or who is undecided yet. Oh, and maybe the promised storage capacity for each format.

If you're to confide in this data, then Blu-Ray promises 25 GB for single-layer and 50 GB for dual-layer, compared to HD-DVD's 15 GB for single-layer and 30 GB for dual-layer, and it's backed by the most important audio-video entertainment and IT companies, so we have a winner... Then why is there a battle, and, most importantly, is it really necessary?


The answer is yes! The battle is inevitable, and it's not necessary about who is going to sell more units or who is going to get more popular, it's about information control.

The final stake: movies

One of the data broadly available on the Internet is the maximum supported resolution: an amazing 1920x1080 pixel. In brief, the movies offered on such a support would have incomparable
image clarity, judging against DVD's present capabilities. And whoever wins the battle dictates the format for the new big movie, and, financially speaking, will control a hundred, maybe thousand billion dollar industry. And the sale increase of TV and other compatible displays adds to this.

The big award for the winning format has so many zeros as even the companies used to astronomic figures would get dizzy with the taste of unlimited success.

On the other hand, the two formats are incompatible with each other, so it's certain that a similar solution to that adopted in the case of DVDs is not feasible, since a device able to operate both technologies would require separate reading lasers and mechanisms, and would be, in the end, too expensive and bulky for the average user.

The battle is hazardous and, if the industry won't settle soon for a direction or the other, the adopting of a format will be delayed and all the experts analyzing the phenomenon cite the end of another battle, the '80s confrontation between VHS and Betamax, which only brought disadvantages to all those involved.

Apart from financial and other sort of estimates, at the end of the day, it's about competitors' egos. So whoever controls the way you watch movies in the future remains to be seen.

But which are each format's arguments?

Blu-Ray - winner before the race is over?



As I was saying, the discussion about which format is more technologically advanced pales to the list of those supporting the format, on the "majority has to be right" principle... But let's keep in mind past examples in which the majority was wrong.

Anyway, Blu-Ray is presently supported by its inventor, Sony, and Dell, Hitachi, Hewlett-Packard, Panasonic, Pioneer, Philips, Samsung and other IT equipment producers. But, as the format will have a big word to say in the movie industry, the movie studios supporting it are also important. So far, Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer and Walt Disney declared their support for Blu-Ray. The format had also two of the major game companies announcing their support: Electronic Arts and Vivendi

Overall, the figure behind this association, with Apple the most recent joining member, is around 450 billion USD. But things are not very clear. The movie studios support is not exclusive, so if the rival format manages to get ahead sooner, we may witness important forsakings.


Beyond the financial aspects, Blu-Ray is a more important technological development compared to the DVD. The laser ray used for reading CDs and DVDs belongs to the red spectrum, with wavelengths of 708, respectively 650 nm.

Blu-Ray uses a blue spectrum laser (violet-blue, in fact), which operates on a wavelength of 405 nm, meaning a bigger quantity of information can be written on the same surface as a CD/DVD.

But the minimum "spot size" that a laser can be focused is limited by diffraction, and depends on the wavelength of the light and the numerical aperture of the lens used to focus it. By decreasing the wavelength (moving toward the violet end of the spectrum), using a higher dual-lens system, and making the disk thinner, the laser beam can be focused much more tightly at the disk surface. This is, in a few words (in addition to the optical improvements), the technological advancement proposed by Blu-Ray.

The protecting layer for CDs and DVDs (cover layer) is 0.6 mm. in thickness, while Blu-Ray's cover layer is only 0.1 mm. thick, which, roughly, means a better access to the recording area.

The advantage? On the same 12 cm. surface (standard dimension of a CD/DVD), 25 GB of data can be stored (single layer), which translates to 2 hours of HDTV video and audio content. And this, with MPEG-2 encoded data, the same as for DVDs.

And while using MPEG-4 H.265/AVC or VC-1, a codec derived from Windows Media 9, up to 4 hours of HDTV content can be stored.
The transfer rate for such a disc is 36 MB/s, compared to the 5MB DVD can provide, and Blu-Ray discs 2x (72 MB/s) are already under study.

And Blu-Ray is not going to stop here. 100 and 200 GB discs are under study, evolving from dual-layer to 4 or 8 layer.

For greater mobility, the 8 cm. disc will be implemented, to use with portable devices.

HD-DVD - a cheaper alternative?



Blu-Ray's direct competitor, HD-DVD (High-Density Digital Versatile Disc) didn't gather in its corner so many IT producers: only Toshiba, the inventor and main supporter, and NEC, but, on the other hand, it's backed by more movie studios: Universal Studios, Paramount Pictures, Warner Bros and New Line Cinema.
The sum behind it is of only 221 billion USD, but the involvement of the four major movie producers could definitely make a difference.

Like Blu-Ray, HD-DVD uses 405 nm. blue laser, but it has more similarities with the DVD format. The numerical aperture of the lens is the same as on the case of the DVD, such as the protective layer thickness, of 0.6 mm.

As for the supported codecs, there is no competition between the two formats, although the technological differences could impose the HD-DVD sooner.
HD-DVD is supported by the DVD forum, which already crowned the format as the DVD successor. The transfer rate is 19 MB/s, the biggest speed so far.

On the other hand, the reduced storage capacity will rise numerous problems to HD-DVD. The Hollywood studios know that a 135 minute movie with a compression rate of 12 Mbps means around 12-13 GB just for the video data. Add to this around 5 GB for a DVD quality soundtrack, space for supplementary soundtracks (either for other languages or other sound compressions), and the 30 GB a HD-DVD can hold become more than crowded.

Beyond technical data

This entire story about storage capacities, layers, wavelengths, lenses and all the technological talk is, after all, just publicity.

Why? Because the judges, in this case, the Hollywood studios, don't care too much about storage and other technical data, and the race will be decided, in the end, by the copy protection.

Both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD wait for the new copy protection system, Advanced Access Content System, to be completed. This system assures of extra-security, which is all the producers, who want their audio-video content safe and sound, want to hear. And, above all, it promises not to be so easy to fool as CSS proved to be.

While HD-DVD already declared its support for AACS, the Blu-Ray supporters still dream for their own protection system, but if AACS becomes stronger, they will have to adopt it.

So the first competitor which will succeed to include AACS or other protection system in its technology will win the race, at least for the first six months.

And, as peculiar it may sound, both competitors are holding their breath to see what the pornographic industry will decide. With over 10,000 titles per year, this industry has a big word to say and, by January this year, it didn't express its support to neither format.

If everything goes according to plan, the first HD-DVD players should be commercialized worldwide from this autumn, while the Blu-Ray products won't be available sooner than the end of this year or the beginning of the next.

Obviously, winning the battle doesn't mean eliminating the competitor, each of the formats already having its supporters and partisans.
But whoever wins the hundreds and thousands of billion of dollars and whoever remains on the side, we can't possibly know yet, especially since...

The war is futile

... because both formats, so debated since the beginning of 2004, may find themselves outrun by the Holographic Versatile Disc (HVD).
While Blu-Ray and HD-DVD use the same laser, other producers thought of combining the two lasers (red and blue), in a single ray and thanks to Optware , on a disc the size of a CD or DVD, 1 TB of data could be stored (20 times more than on a Blu-Ray disc), with a transfer rate of 1 Gbit/s.

The format is developed by the Japanese company Optware, in collaboration with Fuji Photo and CMC Magnetics. The three companies allied with Nippon Paint, Pulstec Industrial and Toagosei and "HVD Alliance" was born.

The problem is that, while Blu-Ray and HD-DVD still allow the reading of present DVDs, along with the passing to the holographic storage era, the DVD days are over.

So, all in all, this famous "disc format battle" could be won by a surprise competitor. Will Blu-Ray and HD-DVD sell, in these 4 years while the HVD is expected to pass its prototype stage? Hard to tell, since many believe that the DVD is dying, but never surrenders!
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Comment #1 by: conae on 17 Mar 2005, 22:17 GMT reply to this comment

THe article gives wrong information ,while hd-dvd is only prototype and paper the BlueRay technology is being daily used.
Sony BlueRay is on the market in Japan already couple of years(I have one),and most of the Japanese leading companies plan to rlease to consumer market pc-based devices which increase the popularity ten-fold.
I believe we have a winner....and as you know the studios are not to be trusted,they will go where the money is.


Comment #2 by: dummyforbugmenot on 17 Mar 2005, 23:58 GMT reply to this comment

I don't understand why anybody is even considering HD-DVD. BluRay disks have nearly twice the storage capacity!

I hope that HD-DVD dies a quick death. It will be a hell of a lot easier to back up hard drives on BluRay disks than HD-DVD. Just think, a 100GB laptop can be backed up by 4 BluRay disks, or 7 HD-DVDs. Which would you rather use?


Comment #3 by: realpike on 18 Mar 2005, 02:16 GMT reply to this comment

Some people thing that there are never going to be using DVDs after this. Well who still uses a 3.5" floppy to transfer those small files that are needed? It wasn't that long ago that we got rid of 5.25".

Oh by the way, does anyone have Tron on Betamax I wore out my copy? j/k :)


Comment #4 by: Astara on 18 Mar 2005, 08:32 GMT reply to this comment

Higher storage is great, but what about higher reliability and readability. I own two DVD players and usually at least 1 has problem reading rentals and even new DVD's.

Tried a DVD head cleaner disk and it won't even play on one of them, but the one it won't play on is the one that plays more disks w/o problems.

Parents (in 70-80s) got a player as well -- same problem ... they tried renting about 3 different movies, one was a new release -- their comment on DVD's: fooey. They're not worth it.

Even now, I go to my DVD library of DVD's that used to work and sometimes find a DVD will no longer be "recognized" as a disk by either player -- the disk _looks_ fine. No dust, scratches...nothing.

With the new format, the protective layer over the data layer will shrink from .6mm to .1mm -- doesn't that imply a decrease in reliability?

Never had these types of problems with CD's. Still have CD's that are easily 15 years old or more -- and play as well now as they day they were new, but as the data density goes up, it seems the chance of an error developing goes up as well.

I suppose what makes it worse with a DVD is all the *FORCED* menus -- if the index or menu portion is messed up, you usually can't play the rest of the disc. On rare occasions, if I the problem is in the startup cycle, but not the first page, I can sometimes use "program" and program the player to skip the bad index and play program 1, all chapters -- but that's an icky kludge.

Even in the middle of DVD's, a defect will often cause skipping to either the next chapter -- OR sometimes a seeming *random* chapter.


I sometimes wonder if they move the tracks on newer dvd's just slight more out of alignment than one's sold 5 years ago, so newer players will play new discs better than old ones, and vice-versa since I have had as many problems, this year, with new, shrink-wrapped copies than rentals!

Maybe they should cut the storage of the new drives in half and go for complete redundancy -- especially since they are doing their best to prohibit making backups of the discs. Of course that could be one reason my CD's have lasted so long -- I rip 'em and play the mp3's on my players...Just an idea
though...

Astara


Comment #5 by: ckaminsk on 22 Mar 2005, 04:41 GMT reply to this comment

Personally, in a few years I would still purchase 3 $5/ea anamorphic-widescreen DVDs over 1 $15/ea HD-DVD. Afterall I spent $1500 on an EDTV projector (848x480) and 72" screen for my home theater. It plays DVD's at the highest progressive-scan resolution current technology allows. It'll be another 5-10 years before I'm ready to throw in the towel and upgrade ALL components (DVD-player, tv/projector, stereo).


Comment #6 by: The_Rob on 08 May 2005, 10:53 GMT reply to this comment

Everyone is for Blu-ray. WOW it can hold more data, but something that the article doesn't mention is that blu-ray is manufactored on a 1.1mm layer. Meaning that everyone who produces DVDs will have to spend 15 million dollars to purchase the machines to manufacture these discs. As opposed a couple hundred thousand for the upgrade. I think it goes without say that Blu-ray DVDs will cost more then HD, as well as the equipment to play them. Just because a disc can hold more data doesn't mean it is better. DON"T BE SHEEP!!!

-ROb


Comment #7 by: OzzysCross101 on 11 Jul 2005, 19:25 GMT reply to this comment

It's Blu-Ray allt eh Way! HD-DVD is just a DVD with more storage. But Blu-RAY is woth investing in for the next few years because they're always increasing capacity. HD-DVD is like a cheap upgrade to the DVD, which isn't doing that well to be honest. By the way, the Blu-Ray discs were going to be manufactured inside a special cartridge beause of the lack of protective layer, but Hitatchi (i think) made the protective layer out of a stronger material and therefore it wouldn;t need 0.6 mm (or the cartridge, for that matter). And just one typo- I think that part that was tlaking about MPEG-4 , it's H.264, not H.265, and that's used in Apple's Quicktime 7. Plus, te Blu-Ray makers already said that they ahve already made advancements int he future mass producing of the discs/players/machines, and said that it would be less costly than they originally estimated.

The only thing that would be better than Blu-Ray would be the HDV. Imagine backing up a 5 TB server on 5 HDV discs? That would be awesome. And very efficient too, but the manufacturing of these things (and perhaps purchasing) sounds like it would be costly.


Comment #8 by: HunterSeeker on 06 Nov 2005, 11:34 GMT reply to this comment

Blue-Ray as the next generation DVD drive?

WRONG!

The HD-DVD will prevail in the format war, simply because it will be a more acceptable format to the consumers.

1) 15 Gb and 30 GB are very large storage amount: 3 to 6 times of the normal DVD.

2) HD-DVD is backward compatitble, which can run on present generation of DVD players.

3) Cheaper to manufacture than Blue Ray.
Think: Would consumers spend 2 times the amount of money for a almost negligble increase in quality/quantity. ie. See the price difference between the Single layer and Dual layer DVDs.

4) A Blue-ray DVD player outside japan is nowwhere insight!!
The PS3, supposedly the first functional Blue-Ray compatitble player outside japan, will not be shipped to US until early-mid 2007.
While HDDVD manufactures promised functional players in the holiday seasons if not early to mid 2006.

5)Too much expection falls on PS3 as to promote Blue-Ray, while there's certainly no gurantee Sony will win the upcoming three-way console way between Revolution, Xbox360 and PS3. PS2 won because it was the ealiest and cheapest console to support DVD format. However, this time Sony's out-dated strategy will not work.

6)The fierce copy-protection installed on blue-ray discs lacks the freedom given by the HD-DVDs which actually allows legitemite copys to be made.
Soon, we'll find that we are unable to copy our fav. musics or clips of moveis on to our harddrives if we used the Blue-Ray.

7)REMEMBER the last format war involving Sony? Between Sony's Betamax and JVC's VHS. Guess who won?


An update: Microsoft and Intel recently announced that they will support the HD-DVD format.

Comment #8.1 by: jimmy d on 30 Nov 2005, 15:37 GMT

err soyy but wrong...

blue ray has 50gb.

The single and dual layer discs of blue-ray will offer much more capacity than HD-DVDs. Some developments regarding multi-layer BD discs show us that a Blu-ray disc can hold 8 layers. This offers a potential to store up to 200 GB of data, considerably greater than the theoretical 60GB of a possible double-sided, dual layer, HD-DVD. Of course, who knows if the end user will see such medias in the near future, but we know that it is technically possible.


it may be more expensive but in the long run it will be cheaper as you wont have to buy as many. also it will only be expensive to start with because of the new equiptment.

if your worried about consoles then think back to when ps2 and xbox first came out... every one went for ps2!! then if they had enough mony then they would get an xbox and i think this is quite a reliable stratergy.

The Content Scrambling System or CSS is still being used even today as a protection for the majority of DVD movie content. However, this protection scheme has been defeated and the descrambling code is readily available on the Internet. To protect high definition contents from unauthorised duplication, HD-DVD chose the successor of CSS called AACS (Advanced Access Control System), while Blu-ray invented a proprietary algorithm called BD-CPS (although Blu-ray might decide in the end to use AACS too)

remember the last console war 1st place goes to ps2 (sony).
2nd to xbox
3rd is game cube.



but in my opinion blue-ray is best by far, but who knows who will win the consumers, only time will tell...

Comment #8.2 by: MOVIEBUFFF on 04 Jan 2006, 17:31 GMT

I CANNOT BELIEVE THE WAY THE ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY IS TRYING TO TAKE OVER A RELIABLE FORMAT (DVD) AND HAS BEEN AROUND FOR AWHILE NOW AND WANTS TO IMPOSE ON US, THE CONSUMER, WHAT THEY THINK WE WANT. I HAVE OVER 400 DVD AND IF THEY THINK I WOULD EVER CHANGE FORMATS (THEY ARE CRAZY). THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS ARE NOT GOING TO REPLACE WHAT THEY HAVE ALREADY INVESTED INTO FOR SO MANY YEARS. I WENT THROUGH THIS WHEN I CHANGED FROM VHS TO DVD. I PURCHASED MY FIRST DVD PLAYER WHEN THEY FIRST CAME OUT, PAID $500.00 FOR IT AND THIS HAS BEEN SINCE AROUND 1997 AND HAVE NEVER (EVER) HAD A PROBLEM WITH MY DVD PLAYER. IT PLAYS AS GOOD AS WHEN I FIRST BROUGT IT. NEVER EVEN HAVE HAD TO USE A CLEANER ON IT. MOVIES PLAY A BIG ROLE IN MY LIFE AND IT IS ONE OF MY PASSIONS. I HAVE ALREADY PURCHASED A $2,500.00 DOLLAR HD-TV AND AM VERY SATISFIED WITH WHAT I HAVE. IF YOU FIGURE 400 DVD TIMES $20.00 A POP. HELL KNOW I WON'T CHANGE. I CAN SEE IF SOMEONE IS JUST STARTING OUT, BUT I GUARANTEE THAT MOST AMERICANS WON'T GO FOR IT. LOL


Comment #9 by: studio82 on 14 Sep 2006, 12:14 GMT reply to this comment

Speaking as a retailer of Bang & Olufsen products we are happy that the Bang & Olufsen brand will wait a considerable time before lauching any equipment which includes either HD DVD or BLU-RAY. The industry top dogs must realise that this is farcical and that they need to get their heads and egos out of their bums and work together. Im sure non of them worry about whre their next meal is comming from or if their on the breadline. Point is maybe its time for them to know whats its like there for the first time or even perhaps again as a reminder that unity works. Lets al just not bother buying either product. Lets hope manufacturers wont make dual players and charging double to the customer or making it cheap and it lasts a week. No my friends let the whole lot collapse around itself and maybe then we may see some genuis again or at the very least selfless intelligence.


Comment #10 by: 75UR15 on 13 Oct 2006, 01:53 GMT reply to this comment

I was curious about something else to do with this. The quality we can see is improved from analog to HD, but how much? On normal size tvs (like the 32" lcd I'm getting) most of us will have does the change make that much difference between 720p and 1080p? I ask this because, as was pointed out to me by a friend, most hd-dvd (or double sided hd-dvd / dvds) have a good list of special features attached, while most blu-rays have only the movie, uncompressed as it is. Will a quad or 8 layer discs fix this, or will that data capacity be unavailable in a stable reliable format? Just curious.

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