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May 15th, 2006, 08:51 GMT · By Vlad Tarko

Rotating Water Gives Rise to Geometric Figures

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Strange things happen when you rapidly rotate the bottom plate of a cylindrical container filled with water. Physicists in Denmark conducted this experiment as part of their lab study of tornadoes.
But what they found was totally unexpected: polygons with up to six corners forming in the middle of the rotating water.

When water is rotated, it moves toward the wall due to the centrifugal force. When the speed is high enough vortexes and other instabilities appear. The present experiment, performed by Tomas Bohr and colleagues at the Technical University of Denmark in Kongens Lyngby and the Niels Bohr Institute in Copenhagen, is different from all previous experiments because the sides of the container have been kept still while only the bottom rotates.

The bucket is made of Plexiglas, is about 20 cm across and contains a rotating plate underneath. Bohr and co-workers filled the container with water and set the plate rotating. When the rotation rate became sufficiently large, deformations in the form of polygons with up to six corners had appeared on the surface of the fluid.

Researchers then used ethylene glycol, which is about 15 times more viscous than water. They observed three-cornered polygons and in some cases vortices formed near the polygons' corners.

Scientists don't yet understand why the polygons form but they plan to repeat the experiment with containers of different diameters and with fluids that are more viscous. "The variation with these parameters should give us significant information about the origin of the structures," said Bohr.

A video and more pictures can be seen here.


Photo credit: Bohr et. al. Phys. Rev. Lett. 96 174502

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Comment #1 by: MIKE WARNE on 11 Feb 2008, 16:40 UTC reply to this comment

this happened to me the other night when i spilt some cold water onto an electric stove ring it didnt immediately boil off but started wobbling and then formed a geometric shape like picture c above only with more points and then started spinning, why did this happen?


Comment #2 by: Frank Hart on 28 Feb 2008, 20:01 UTC reply to this comment

I am in no way a man of science, and truthfully have no opinion. I will just pass on that I once read an article about Hitler's projects that did not come to fruition before the end of WW2, but may have changed the direction of the war. One of these was a circular flying machine (saucer shaped) powered by rotating water. I have no more detail but would be fascinated to hear more.

Frank Hart


Comment #3 by: Eric Howe on 09 Oct 2009, 17:52 UTC reply to this comment

Any relation to the hexagonal cloud formations at Saturn's poles?

http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2007-034

Comment #3.1 by: vince on 05 Nov 2009, 16:10 GMT

It has to be related. For 0.003 seconds i thought about an alien structure..bt it's kind of soothing we still have so much to learn from nature and laws we claim to understand


Comment #4 by: Phil G on 11 Oct 2009, 20:26 UTC reply to this comment

I wonder if anyone has considered the presence of similar geometric forms present in optical feedback (when the angle of rotation is right)?


Comment #5 by: Alexandre Freire on 12 Oct 2009, 00:03 UTC reply to this comment

That is no such thing as centrifugal "force". That is just the result of INERTIA.


Comment #6 by: mrule on 14 Oct 2009, 03:30 UTC reply to this comment

I am fairly confident that the hexagon on Saturn is caused by a similar effect... this would be a perfect undergraduate research paper for some ambitious physics students. Any takers ?

The polygons in optical feedback are simply a function of iterated affine transformations in the feedback ( they arise directly out of the geometric relationships in the feedback ). There fluid polygons do not relate directly to optical feedback and will probably require a more complicated or subtle explanation.


Comment #7 by: collin on 11 Dec 2009, 01:46 UTC reply to this comment

@Alexandre: Actually if you switch to a non-inertial reference frame, there are centrifugal "forces". They are of course pseudo-forces if you will, but they exist nonetheless. Inertia is just a resistance to force, so I'm not sure why you called it INERTIA.

Honestly why do people leave comments like these?


Comment #8 by: Smarty on 11 Dec 2009, 03:59 UTC reply to this comment

Look like Saturn north pole.

May be because there is 6 vortexes. One in the middle and 5 at the periphery like at the saturn pole. I am wondering if Jupiter has this too.


Comment #9 by: rob on 04 Sep 2011, 02:24 UTC reply to this comment

Perhaps this can explain the unusual patterns on the poles of Saturn, the strange geometric patterns there are remarkably similar.


Comment #10 by: Logan on 11 Jan 2012, 19:35 UTC reply to this comment

This is exciting. Keep researching and keep sharing. There is a lot of sacred knowledge we are uncovering here and this is a great time to be discovering it.

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