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July 23rd, 2009, 08:11 GMT · By

EBay Posts a 29 Percent Drop in Profits in Q2

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eBay trumps analyst expectation but still sees a 4 percent drop in revenue
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Ebay's financial results for the second quarter came in and they're pretty much in keeping with the rest of the industry and the general trend, with revenue and income slightly down but ahead of analysts’ expectations. Revenue dipped 4.5 percent, from $2.2 billion in Q2 2008 to $2.1 billion in this year's second quarter, with income following a similar path but dropping 29 percent since last year, from $460 million to $327 million. The company estimates similar results in Q3, expecting a revenue between $2.05 billion and $2.15 billion.

“We drove solid second quarter results, with strong momentum and market share gains at PayPal and continued stabilization in our core eBay business,” John Donahoe, eBay president and CEO, said. “We are managing our business with focus and discipline, delivering on our commitments while investing in our growth priorities. I’m pleased with our pace, our progress and our performance.”

PayPal and Skype saw a solid quarter but their growth was offset by the underperforming Marketplaces business. Donahoe though is going ahead with his plans laid out last spring, further emphasizing PayPal, spinning off Skype as an independent company, publicly traded, and moving the main site from an auction-based system towards online retailing.

The Payments business consisting of PayPall and Bill Me Later did very well this last quarter, posting an 11 percent growth in revenue raking in $669.3 million. It's also doing well gaining users with active registered accounts reaching 75.4 million in June a 20 percent increase year over year.

Despite plans to spin off Skype going ahead with an IPO sometime next year, the communications business also did very well, with a 25 percent rise in revenue, bringing in $170 million, and continues to be one of the most popular services online with 480.5 million registered users, a 37.3 million increase since last quarter.

Meanwhile, Marketplaces, which is made up of eBay, Shopping.com, StubHub and other ecommerce sites, saw a 14 percent drop in revenue year over year, managing to earn $1.26 billion. eBay blames the decline on the overall economic conditions and plans to offer more localized services and to move its core business more towards online retailing.

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Comment #1 by: Philip Cohen on 13 Aug 2009, 10:19 UTC reply to this comment

Shill Bidding on eBay: a Case Study

For eBay “watchers”, a detailed case study of the crime of “shill” bidding and the abuse of eBay’s proxy bidding system—all exacerbated by eBay’s introduction of “hidden bidders”—plus a detailed general criticism of eBay’s “clunky” auction platform, and policies, at

http://www.auctionbytes.com/forum/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=24033

A synopsis thereof:

 very little of the auction system security, that eBay claims to offer buyers, exists in fact;

 contrary to their claims, it can be demonstrated that eBay has no “proactive” nor “sophisticated” system in place for the detection of undisclosed vendor (“shill”) bidding, and indeed eBay appears to do nothing about such criminal activity except as a reaction to users’ reports of suspicious bidding activity;

 eBay appears to have no effective matter-of-course verification of users: unscrupulous users can apparently have as many user IDs as they may have email addresses;

 many of eBay’s “rules”, concerning the retraction of bids, cancellation of auctions, etc, are nominal only and are no bar to the machinations of the unscrupulous seller;

 as a result, eBay’s “proxy” bidding system is so open to abuse by such unscrupulous sellers that to use it, as eBay intends it to be used, can be an invitation to pay your maximum;

 by the lack of any effectual system to proactively detect shill bidding, eBay has ever effectively, and knowingly, “aided and abetted” unscrupulous shill-bidding sellers to defraud naïve buyers;

 the masking of bidding IDs with non-unique, absolutely anonymous aliases serves no purpose other than to obscure all but the most blatant of shill bidding, and defeats any attempt at comprehensive analysis of individual bidding patterns to expose such activity;

 the quarterly changing of even these non-unique, absolutely anonymous, bidding aliases serves absolutely no other purpose than to stop even experienced eBay users from attempting to manually track suspicious bidding activity over time;

 the anonymous, individual bidder Bid History Details pages, supposedly supplied to offset the absolute masking of bidding IDs, although better than nothing, usually present an ambiguous view and, in such circumstances, are of dubious value;

 anyone naïve enough to “nibble” bid on a seller-elected “private” auction (ie, “User ID kept private”), on the balance of probability, is going to be defrauded;

 when suspected fraud is reported, and is found by eBay to be proved to their satisfaction, eBay will conceal that fact from the victim of the fraud; this then is the concealing of a crime after the fact, surely, a crime in itself;

 eBay will never acknowledge to a victim that a fraud has been perpetrated, nor indeed will eBay acknowledge that such fraud is even a problem on eBay auctions; eBay therefore sees no reason to provide any mechanism to aid in the recovery of any monies so defrauded;

 if eBay did have any proactive and truly sophisticated system in place for the detection and control of shill bidding, we would not now be having this debate; and

 for those buyers (and honest sellers) who embrace eBay believing that eBay acts as an “honest broker” between buyer and seller, I can only say that you may as well believe that there are fairies at the bottom of your garden too; and

 the ugliest aspect of this matter is that we would quite rightly be upset if our local auctioneer, from whom we were buying, was found to be facilitating and concealing such criminal activity—and here is eBay, knowingly, doing this to the whole world!

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