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Apple Store Employees Fired over 'Nothing'

Everyone cuts corners, so why shouldn't you?

By Filip Truta, Apple News Editor

26th of May 2008, 12:27 GMT

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ifoAppleStore, the website handling news and information about Apple Inc.'s retail stores, reported last week that a Glendale Apple Store employee was fired for posting photos taken by customers on display iPhones. Although categorized as "innocuous" by the publication, it seems that Apple isn't fine with such practices. The ex-employee, of course, wasn't fine with Apple's not-fineness with the matter either. So who's right and who's wrong here?

The pictures show parts of an Apple store, customers or only their limbs, groups and single shots of customers' faces and so on. mikeywally falls short of providing specifics as to how he got himself fired, but given that another blog post of his explains how two of his co-workers had been recently fired for "timecard fraud," some might be tempted to believe he was under the eye of Apple Store management. Speaking of which, mikeywally also criticizes management for "inconsistency" and other problems.

Forget the pictures (hopefully they aren't removed by the time you read this piece), and let's analyze mikeywally's blog post to try and understand exactly what went wrong at the Glendale Apple Store.

Just so everyone understands what this "time fraud" is all about, it means the employees were cutting their working hours short and replacing them with eating, or "chilling in the 'break-room'." The break-room is another aspect of the Glendale Apple Retail Store mikeywally wasn't at all fond of.

Speaking of the "timecard fraud", a dubbing mikeywally finds ridiculous ("TIME FRAUD!? Are you serious?"), the ex-employee reveals that everyone did this and "it was less than two minutes." He admits he also "did this on many occasions," and that he "even got caught a few times," but "was never fired."

"Why were these guys fired? Were they bad employees with bad records?," mikeywally rhetorically asks. "NO. One of them had been with Apple Glendale for a year and a half (he didn't like the job, but he certainly knew his way around the sales floor and was courteous), and the other was one of the best, most considerate, knowledgeable, and patient Mac Specialists I had ever met, and to make things worse, he had just gotten married! What compassion Apple Glendale!"

Sure enough, mikeywally's arguments don't reveal anything bad (or unusual), but just an attitude on his behalf. As for his two friends, well...:

1. He says one of them didn't even "like" his job, so it's easy to guess that Glendale Apple Store management could see that. Generally, employers want staff who are passionate about their work, especially Apple.

2. The fact that the other friend had just gotten married is, in no way, something a company's management should care about, unless that employee specifically demands (in writing even) that he should be granted special treatment for a certain given situation. Plus, the mere fact that the friend had just gotten married should have made him act more responsibly (at least for a while).

3. Since these two guys are good friends of mikeywally, we can all agree he is likely to have shared their habits and a few extra ones as well, such as posting photos of the store on the web.

Many companies actually hand you this paper which says you must not divulge too many (or any) details that might trace back to your existence in their organization, which, of course, you must also sign if you want the job. It's called a "non-disclosure agreement." You may also be required to sign a "confidentiality agreement."

Here's one more sample from mikeywally's blog post, to conclude the whole matter: "I had never worked in a place where so many people did not want to be, and when so many people do not want to be at their workplace they cut corners."

...or, they find a job suitable for themselves, Softpedia would suggest.

Of course, we can't point any fingers, given that it's actually hard to find a good working environment with good management so, for all we know, the guy could be right. We should at least grant mikeywally the benefit of the doubt. In fact, should future posts of his bring better arguments as to where Apple management goes wrong when it comes to lower-ranked employees, this might even deserve a follow-up.

Also, any Apple Store employees, or people familiar with how things are in the Apple working environment, are welcome to share their impressions.

Here are some of the photos in question:

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Comment #1 by: Monkey Crazy on 20 May 2009, 21:36 GMT reply to this comment

Mikewally is not the only person who got terminated from Apple for absurd reason. I heard there are lots of people who got terminated due to stupid reasons. I think Apple is terminating people instead of laying off to avoid severance package and negative effect to its stock prices. Is this a legal approach to lower their operating cost so they show investors that they are not as bad as their competitors?


Comment #2 by: DDweaver on 09 Jun 2009, 01:52 GMT reply to this comment

I know someone recently fired from an Apple retail store for very little reason. He was one member of one of the top rated Genius teams in the world (they won awards for their productivity) but was 10 minutes late 3 times in 90 days. That was it. He was fired on the spot no matter why he was late. They told him there was a no tardiness policy and he had been aware of it. It seemed cold and unreasonable though. Instead of recognizing his value as an employee, they just cited rules and told him to clean his stuff out of the Genius room and leave. Cold!


Comment #3 by: Chris on 22 Jun 2009, 22:52 GMT reply to this comment

This is unacceptable behavior from Apple, people buy Apple products because they have a friendly and understanding image, not because they are like every other a-hole boss out there.


Comment #4 by: Joe on 15 Jul 2009, 01:43 GMT reply to this comment

DDweaver - I'm quite sure the person you know didn't tell you the whole story. If you're 10 min late 3 times in 90 days in Apple Retail, you simply move to a 1st attendance warning, which does start a clock that monitors your attendance pretty carefully for the next 12 months.

If you're late 3 more times within 90 days of receiving your 1st warning, then you can be terminated after that 3rd lateness. It likely wouldn't be on the spot - it would have to be cleared by HR first, paperwork drafted and approved, and would likely be delivered at the beginning of the employee's next scheduled shift.

Anyone terminated for attendance by Apple has a serious issue with getting to work on time. It's a strict, but fair, no-fault policy.


Comment #5 by: mike on 30 Aug 2009, 02:43 GMT reply to this comment

Joe- coming from a recently terminated apple employee. i would have to disagree with that statement "Anyone terminated for attendance by Apple has a serious issue with getting to work on time. It's a strict, but fair, no-fault policy." I rely on the bus and most cases i would have to get up and leave my house sometimes 2-hours before my shift starts. i was on final for being late(not due to my fault) so one day i had to come in to work at 8 am. I got up at the right time, got on the right bus, but thanks to my bus driver for taking her time getting downtown so i could transfer buses, I was forced to catch the bus that would get to my local mall just when my shift starts. now the second bus driver was on scheduled but the first made me late for sure. Due to the policy i was fired on the spot and escorted through the back and that's that. So the policy can be very biased towards people who rely on public transportation because we have no control over that.


Comment #6 by: Joe on 04 Sep 2009, 19:52 GMT reply to this comment

Sorry, Mike, but that's the text-book definition of "no fault". It's your job to get to work on time. How fair would a policy be that allowed people who rely on public transportation to be late but not others? There is traffic on every road, everywhere, regardless of whether you drive or someone else does. If you got to a final warning, you were made well aware of this. It's not Apple's or any other employer's job to assist you in getting to work. It's a given that you will work that out. If I found myself on a final warning due to public transportation, I'd take a taxi every day until my 90-day period ended. That's what you should have done.


Comment #7 by: joe butler on 18 Oct 2009, 08:59 GMT reply to this comment

Apple are evil I got fired for a conflict of intrest before I finished my training!
Before starting with Apple as a genius I worked freelance repairing macs, I undertook work after signing a contract with Apple but before starting employment with Apple, Apple found out about this ( they asked I told them) and fired me on the spot. They still owe me £600 in expences, will not provide anything in wrighting, respond to any of the 29 emails I have sent them.
Apple is like a cult, the core training is like brain washing, most of there range has fults that Apple know about but are unwilling to do anything about. We have all been had, they sell ok products but wrap them up in a dream and we buy into it!


Comment #8 by: Michael Jones on 23 Oct 2009, 05:44 GMT reply to this comment

I was terminated for time/attendance at Apple and I'm trying to get my job back but they keep telling me that "you are re-hireable and can technically get your job back but were not on boarding anyone whos been let go for time/attendance at the moment". Really? At the moment. When then? Does anyone have any idea if I'm wasting my time trying to get my job back...or should I start speaking to HR and seeing what they can do for me? I was their top seller, Lead Mentor, and Lead Visual for 3 years. I'd hope they'd realize that Im a human being and human beings make mistakes. I think it's only right to give me a second chance. Isnt it? They're a GREAT company to work for and would like to be able to prove to them that it was only a mistake that wont happen again. So if anyone knows anything about how i can get my job back...reply please.

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